. The spirits here are none too pleased with Okku, and demand to kill him. Every five minutes, you'll be able to change yourself to the Ravenous Incarnation, which effectively polymorphs you to an all-devouring evil creature. Or something. With that done, return to the Imaskari device and pop the globe back in. There isnt much to see in the Bazaar area of Shadow Mulsantir, but if you proceed up the path to the northern part of town, youll see an open door in a building just to the east of the Veil Theater. Head through it and explore a bit. Volomer will only join if three of the other berserkers have already joined the rebellion. Eating spirits will slowly - or quickly - corrupt yourself. Go ahead and rest after you do so, cast her buffs, and get going. If Okku is in your party and you attempt to devour the Wood Man, hell automatically turn on you and youll be forced to kill him. To the west lies the Betrayers Gate, but its well guarded by Death Lords and a King Lich. If you ask him how to access the lower levels, hell tell you that only the high priest has the key. In order to get the club from him, youll need to trade him a Duergar axe. That will start the Fragments of a Mask quest, which will last for quite a while. Silence(Brd/Cle2) on Satchel with Weapon + 1 Pristine Air AND 1 Brilliant Power (CL 12) = Silence DC 14 1 Pristine Air AND 2 Brilliant Power (CL 15) = Silence DC 16 1 Pristine Air AND 3 Brilliant Power (CL 18) = Silence DC 18 1 Pristine Air AND 4 Brilliant Power (CL 21) = Silence DC 20 1 Pristine Air AND 1 Pristine Power (CL 24) = Silence DC 22 . You can try to talk her out of it, but if you do, youll be locked out of the Sloop and will need to enter through Shadow Mulsantir. This is a Chaotic action, however. I've started the official campaign as elvish monk (Wild Elf) 14 Str 18 Dex 14 Con 10 Int 14 Wis 8 Cha So far I've reached lvl 3 and I've decided for Hero's Luck and Dodge and I've to decide to appoint my first Stat point. Lastly, look through her spellbook and adjust it to your liking. If you enter the southeastern room and kill the three students there, you can loot a Mysterious Device from a table inside. So, youll have to fight them. Found only in meteorites and the rarest veins in magical areas, adamantine is an ultra-hard metal that adds to the quality of weapons and armor. Now that youve added Kaelyn and Gann to your party, its time to take down Okku, the bear god, who waits for you outside of town. Otherwise, youll have little choice but to attack them, since theyll quickly become hostile to you when they find you. Giving Kaelyn a Tower Shield proficiency will help her wield the heavy armor needed to stack her AC up to unhittable levels. Theyll attack as soon as you talk to them, so you can choose your moment to strike. Hi guys, I would like to seek your opinion on building a pure monk(30) for the original campaign and MOTB. In no particular order, we headed for the Wells of Lurue first. None of this influences your alignment, so feel free to butter her up. If you fought them, then all of the petitioners and guards will be hostile to you. Undead: Ankhriva the lich and his minions are first in line. 1) This will only work if you have Mask of the Betrayer installed and are running version 1.12.1295 (the current patch level as of 3/19/08). You can loot all of the bodies here if you like. This fight can be tough to manage, but manage it you must. Akachi is a tough enemy indeed, and even incredibly well-geared characters may have a tough time with him. In no particular order: First Door: Youll encounter three gargoylish creatures behind this door, couriers that were apparently coming to see Lienna. Along the way through the game, you'll be able to earn new feats related to your spirit-eating abilities that will make you more flexible in how you approach your addiction. I'm trying not to dead-end myself more than I already have. Windelhelm made a deal with a devil to achieve greater power, but now wishes to reclaim his soul. ), For the purposes of this walkthrough, we decided to import our lawful evil scythe weaponmaster. This fight can be quite difficult for you at this point. It wouldnt happen naturally, is the theory. There are also a bunch of dirt mounds in the city, so feel free to loot those as well. This applies to the last updated original version of nwn2 - perhaps mods can fix it. If your character isnt an arcane spellcaster (and perhaps even if you are), youll probably want to keep Safiya by your side from the beginning until the end; she brings a lot to the table, and her neutrality makes it relatively easy to increase your influence with her, unless you wind up being downright cruel to her. He can take two souls and attempt to fuse them together, and will do so for you if you pressure him enough. Neverwinter Nights series NWN2 1-hand or 2-hand weapon (13 posts) solved (13 posts) solved (13 posts . Players are transported back to the Forgotten Realms shortly after the events detailed in the original Neverwinter Nights 2. Were betting that these are the humans you have to lure to the Uthraki, if you accept their quest involving finding new meat for them to eat. Before starting the fights, be sure to try and talk to the golem. Its not difficult to do so, but getting through the conversation with some influence gains can be a little trickier. Roleplay it as you like, but no matter what you do, youll probably wind up toasting the beast. We didnt pursue this branch of the storyline too far, as we decided around this point to reload an old save and get Okku into our party instead of One of Many. Two bugfixes that I found useful. He speaks of many things, including the fact that you have to find the true Sword of the Gith, which will unlock a door in the dead gods vault, which will let you recreate the original fight to destroy the Wall of the Faithless, where your soul apparently now dwells - as does Araman. Amulet of natural armor, Ring of slashing/bludgeon/piercing resist, ring of death/ability damage/drain/negative levels immunity, cape of resistance, boots of sun soul, belt of storm giant strength, braces of I don't remember, Githyanki most op sword, magic defense(cant recall exact name) shield, hand crafted +8 greatsword(monkey grip 1h) with fire and shock enchantment and FB special power attack I also remember having regen item and slotless wonderous item buffs, soloed final battle easily at very hard diff. Stand next to her while you buff; you can cast Stoneskin on her, if you like. . But wouldn't the crit rate of Simitars be more useful then? The soul you need is soul 346 in the Soul Repository upstairs; its located on a shelf on the northern side of the room. After Gulkaush runs off, take her eye upstairs (or head back to the Sleeper and complete that quest, if possible). He will often use it to add extra fire damage to other party members' weapons, which I don't enchant with extra fire damage. Crafting in OC is a bit more rewarding. Anyway, the solution to the puzzle is pretty simple: attack all of the obelisks in both of the rooms to cause them to start arcing lightning out. Eventually youll see the yellow notice on your screen that hes vulnerable; concentrate your firepower on him at this point and hell go down. This allows for Arrows, Bolts, and Bullets, Throwing Axes, Shurikens, and Darts to be crafted out of various metal materials and for ranged weapons to be enchanted with Enhance, Damage Bonuses, and other enchants. Youll also be able to get another golem piece after defeating her, as well. Note that most of the essences will require Protection from Energy in order to enchant armor; make sure Safiya picks that up. The golem fights can be an entertaining and profitable diversion. If you choose to slay him in this dreamscape, your soul will be freed, and youll be able to continue about your life, but the curse of the spirit-eater will pass on to another. When the Keeper has been restored, it will let you open the doors in the room. Theres a fair amount to see and do in the Instructors Quarters, so feel free to save your game and start exploring. Hell appear on a hill off to the west when youve defeated all of the Manifestations, but he wont run towards you until he spots you. gamespot.comgiantbomb.commetacritic.comfandom.comfanatical.com, Privacy PolicyCookie SettingsDo Not Sell My InformationReportAd. One of Many is an interesting follower, but also a problematic one. When youve succeededwell, youve succeeded! Accept Araman as a helper, then speak to him and accept his quests. One of the chests here will require a roll of over 40 to pick the lock, which Kaji probably cant get anywhere near, so if you dont want to bash it, come back with a Knock spell later on. To gain him as an ally, you need to resist the urge to devour his soul when you fight him outside of Mulsantir, which will spare his life and force him to honor an ancient pledge to help your kind fight your curse. Doing so will cause you to partake in a sequence of battles with the frost giants; the crown will be placed on the ground, and theyll come at you in groups of one or two giants in an attempt to pick it up and place it on their heads. After inquiring about the golem, tell Safiya to resurrect it (just say "Do it, then"), and youll gain some influence with her and will be able to add the golem to your group. Have Gann cast Summon Creature IX if possible. The benefit is for berserkers only: you gain an extra +2 AC bonus when you rage, with larger bonuses if you have Greater or Mighty Rage. In addition, youll find a room with a coupld of NPCs lying on the bed, as well as a pair of pit fiends. Unfortunately, if you attempt to come back to the upper level, you'll wind up getting warped into the defense mechanisms, so try not to do this unless you need to. If you have a lot of trouble with this fight, save it and come back later when you have another party member. Teleportation will send you down to meet a few thugs that will attempt to kill you; theyll be easily dispatched. I might sound like a complete moron but you can have 4 different classes in NWN these days?! Youll encounter Bishop here, whom you probably last saw at the end of Neverwinter Nights 2. Canary diamond. Your goal here is to find surviving members of the party, though. Be sure to right-click on an enemy to keep an eye on its health bar while you attack. When youve dealt with the bulk of the petitioners, speak to Guard Turlok at the gates. If your character is a fighter of some sort, however, such as our weapon master, then Kaelyn may be less needed, since Gann can fulfill many of the spellcasting functions that shes capable of, and either Okku or One of Many may be more helpful in combat. Theyre all pretty tough to hit due to high armor, and they can all deal a lot of damage, so youll need to resummon your creatures a few times before everything dies. If you attempt to complete the ritual to destroy the phylactery, youll receive 250 XP, destroy the body, and receive a Talisman of Pure Good, as well as points towards the Lawful and Good alignments. Safiya can offer you some insight on the Keeper of Doors, and youll gain some influence with her, to boot. Bring Safiya to the receptacle and have her speak to the image to receive the Incomplete Soul. For instance, if you want to enchant one of your weapons to deal extra ice damage, put it in the satchel alongside the Brilliant Water Essence and cast Ice Storm on it. Holy Weapon: Best damage enchantment in the OC. Head into Janiiks house and interrogate Anya. This guy was apparently rebuked by the Wood Man at some point in the past and has been cursed to remain in the grove here, but has since found the means to begin burning it down. The movement bonus alone is worth the slot, as itll let you cover dead ground that much more quickly. If, on the other hand, you decide to side with the defenders against Zoab, youll have to immediately kill Seyryu. As you might expect from a demilich, he wields some pretty impressive spells, including Hellball, but after his guards are down this should devolve into a spanking. If he believes you, hell leave, but he likely wont. If you have Okku in your party and three Brilliant Spirit Essences, return to Nakkai and have him begin the ritual. Feel free to cast spells as you like on your foes, but most of them (with the exception of Okku) will be relatively easy to kill. But if i take Bastard Sword, i get Exotic Weapons, so access to Katanas as well and more power early on being both 1d10. Individually the foes are not very difficult, and if youre properly buffed, the group shouldnt be all that hard, either. Like NWN2, MotB crafting will upgrade previous enchantments on items (replace them) if they are of the same type (e.g., fire damage 1d6 can be upgraded to fire damage 2d6). Check the corpse and the beetle mound for items, then speak to Fentomy on the shore. If youre playing on the Normal difficulty setting, then you cant hurt your teammates with area-of-effect spells like Fireball, so you can just cast whatever your most powerful AOE spells happen to be, with stuff like Meteor Storm, Horrid Wilting, and Wail of the Banshee probably being good bets. Head to the south to the Burning Grove, which youll need to reach through a map transition. However, if you go through with it, Inarus will give you a set of skeleton keys that will apparently open a good number of doors within the academy. So longswords are plenty and powerful. If you killed Okku at the end of his fight and managed to steal his soul, you should have his husk on you. Theres a portal here, guarded by Shadow Umber Hulks, that will lead to an inaccessible portion of Mulsantir. These guys will give you a lot of backstory about the ending of NWN2 and how you came to be in Mulsantir, if you ask. Assuming your Grandma worked at Black Isle, obviously. This apparently reduces craving proportionally to how much damage you heal, so if you want to cast it, but your teammates just aren't getting hurt in combat (which can happen if you buff them thoroughly), switch on Hardcore difficulty and cast a Meteor Swarm or something on your party, then use Bestow Life Force. Ok i can see that later on, when you're dealing 50 dmg per hit, the difference between Bastards and Long Sword and even Scimitars becomes much more negligable. He doesnt know where it is, but points you towards the same ancient vault that the Prodigal Daughter quest will apparently be taking you to. You can drop the housings that youve found onto the floor to get around this, but theres an easier way to avoid the defenses: simply load up one of your characters with all of the housings in the repository, then switch to another character, tell the first character to stay put, then walk the second character over to the stairs leading to another level. If you make your way to the southwestern corner of the map here, youll come to the area where the earth elemental that Fentomy wishes to destroy is located. Take advantage of this and pelt him from a distance with a powerful spell before engaging him. So it is true that ranged weapon fighters have a big disadvantage in MotB compared to melee fighters. Araman and his cronies are tough, so be sure to call in some backup before approaching. Djafi will probably be the first one to die, assuming you managed to convince him to join you; most of the enemies will attack him first, leaving you relatively unmolested as you cut a swath through the casters. If you have a main character from Neverwinter Nights 2, youll need to load up the last saved game that you made with that character, hit Escape, and select Export Character. Nadaj will attack, and be quickly cut down by your party. Do you get a good NPC that can craft super weapons? You can ask him a great many things. These three items are listed in the toolset under "Special Edition". But still, you gave me quite a few ideas. If your Influence with your teammates is high enough, you may be able to declare your love for one another and gain a special Romance feat. If you can return to the Sleeper at this point (the path may be inaccessible if you killed the earth elemental), then you can talk to her to enter her dreams. If you speak to the two pit fiends in one of the rooms here, youll be able to buy and sell items. Fourth Door: The fourth door is the one that youll be returning to this area for in the future. Note that these tips are, again, going to be SPOILERS in a lot of cases. This can be easy or difficult, depending on your class; fighter characters will find it pretty easy to kill a Manifestation with just a round or so of wailing on them, while casters may find it more difficult to take them down quickly. Accept their quest, if only for the experience. Kill him and move on. Only by refracting the light through Safiya will you be able to complete this puzzle. Regardless, you need to take out the whole group. He was the one who sought to trap the spirit-eating curse inside Okkus barrow, to prevent anyone else from finding it and taking it into themselves. He rarely manages to land critical hits, but hell output a remarkable amount of steady damage in combat. You can talk Djafi out of his role in the upcoming battle if you choose correctly in the options, however, which will leave you with six spellcasters. Best PS5 Headset In 2023 - Top Options For PlayStation, Earth: Acid Fog (note that this is apparently unlearnable by Safiya). 4. What can I say? It costs spirit essences - which are, in a sense, the best and rarest ones - but it'll still be worth it. Take whatever you like, but you should probably flip Safiya herself over to the crossbow and keep her back. You can pick the locks on the doors here; they dont require a special key or anything. Spirit energy shows you how much energy you have; you can gain more energy either by attempting to suppress your appetite for spirits, or by devouring enemies that are near death. Bracers +10 ac. If your main character doesnt have a lot of armor and health, then itll be difficult to survive this fight, but if you can split your enemys attention, you can have Safiya and Gann pelt the spellcaster with their bows and spells until it dies, then focus on the rest of the enemies until they go down too. Got a news tip or want to contact us directly? Warding of the Spirits is a party-wide buff thatll be pretty handy when facing off against spirit enemies. One of Many'll give you pretty decent buffs from loyalty (including +6 regen), and you can win him over without causing a lot of trouble by including him in the party right before you head to Myrkul - otherwise he's pretty shit and should by all means be left on the benches. Keep your ranged attackers back, summon a couple of creatures to help you out, and go to town. I'll also be playing a good character, so I won't have access to some essences. Move near the Mosstone with Gann in your party and hit the R button to enter your dream. Theyll use powerful magics, including Meteor Swarm and Summon Creature IX, on you, so be prepared for anything. The following mods are for the first expansion for Mask of the Betrayer. The new ones still retain the old item's description, though you can change the name. 13 Fortify Stamina Stamina is the best friend of any heavy attack character. If you managed to clear out a couple of the petitioners, hell let you through after you bribe him for 50,000 gold. Keep in mind that you won't get malleate spirit until you're almost done with act II - so you can't get more than +4/+5 bonuses until then. Theres a telthor berserker nearby wholl give you this quest. Starting again also offers us a chance to compare the two directly, and,. It requires pretty huge attack rolls to actually hit; if you have Safiya, then your best bet might be to get her to cast numerous Polar Rays on it and hope that that takes it down. Okku's gotta go because you *must* have the Heart of Rashemen. If you get the "That your idea of justice, not mine" choice, you can take it to earn some influence with Gann. You can always right-click on an essence itself to find out what spells you need to cast on it in the Enchanters Satchel to enchant an object. With Akachi lying at your feet, all that remains to be determined is what action you take. Before you leave the cave, pick up the Axe of the Bear-God from the chest nearby. You find yourself in a cave at the beginning of the game, and youre soon woken up by Safiya, a red mage of Thay. Use Turn Undead and summoning spells to defeat the foes. When you offload your unusable stuff, its time to start poking around. You can repair your golem in between each round by speaking to it, but our souped-up model actually managed to win all five rounds without ever taking damage, so hopefully the model that you construct will be as hardy. Required for None Specifics This feat grants the ability to create magic weapons, armor, and shields. Recall Spirit is a resurrection spell that will work well if any of your members accidentally dies. Itll come in handy during a quest youll pick up downstairs, but for now, if you want to look around, feel free to do so. Forovan: Forovan tests your strength by challenging you to an arm-wrestling contest. One thing to note about Okku is that you cannot control what he selects when he levels up, and you also wont be able to equip him with anything other than a single amulet and a pair of rings. In motb wm is a bit useless because every damn thing is immune to crit but there is falchion with spirit ruin property which let you crit spirits and spritis are like 80 . Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer Character Build FAQ . Youll come to a room with a number of Offering Urns. If you head out to the north and bear to the east from the door, youll find the Archives, where you can pick up a number of scrolls and a couple of quest-related books. That is to say, I'd rather use greater belts than have 8 regen, but they simply don't work - even if the battle log displays damage resistance, no actual damage is removed. Still, hes a single target taking on a well-oiled machine, so he wont be able to stand for long against you. Head into Mulsantir. Second Door: A defective Imaskari golem will attack you when you open this door. After a bit of bantering, the spirits will attack you. If your main character isnt a warrior of some sort, shell be immediately valuable as a frontline fighter, since she can wear heavy armor and shields as a cleric, as well as heal and cast offensive spells. The nearby machine isnt marked on your map, but if you examine it, either you (via a Lore check) or Safiya should be able to deduce its basic functionality. No matter what you do here, you'll wind up having to take down all of the outpost's inhabitants. The wyverns here will cast a debuff on you, but it will fade away after a turn or two, so no need to use Restoration on it. The only thing i want to point out is that i wouldn't be wasting a feat on Exotic Weapons because with Favored Soul, i get to choose a Deity and it comes with the correct Weapon Profeciency, so if i take Bastard Swrod, i get Exotic Weapons as a free feat. Speaking of the Wells of Lurue, theres one last task for you to complete before you head into the Death Gods Vault. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Youll be finding a pretty nice spear on the next level, so if you can use that kind of weapon, you may just want to wait for that; otherwise, you can enchant something right now, if you like. Unfortunately its a bit problematic, as well, since your teammates cant see it. Unfortunately the priest will refuse to talk to you after a bit of conversation; youll need to find some way to force him to do so if you want the key leading downward. If your appetites get the better of you, or you simply prefer to devour all the spirits that you see, you can maximize your craving meter. Head through and start looking around, killing the mummified priests that appear. Thats located in the southwestern corner of the map, near the giant earth elemental there. Or, well, in Safiyas backpack, at any rate. MotB is one of the best games ever. If you demand payment, hell attack, and you can kill him for the Ring of Seething Hatred (Spell Resistance 20, Haste and Rage 3 Uses/Day). (Two caveats: I started with my OC char, including equipment except for weapon: as a consequence, I kept my Thieve's Hood through motb - don't think you can find/buy that in MOTB. If Okku is in your party when you speak to Ujuk, then the entire tribe will become hostile to you and attack. Devour one spirit per day, at most, and use Suppress when youre near a lot of spirits, and you should be ok for the most part. Move through to the operating theater. The consequences of taking more than your alloted souls out of the repository can bedrastic. When youre ready to have the golem fight, speak to Artesh again. The door in the room you wind up in will lead to a room full of portals, which also features the Keeper of Doors, a large golem. Find the one labelled "Chief Scribe" and talk to him. Or mephit characters. Killing them will yield the usual essences, while Sarduris will also drop the Deea pouch, which will hurt your Wisdom and Diplomacy scores and match them with equal contributions to your Strength and Intimidate scores. With that in tow, you can explore the various points of interest on this floor. As you may be able to discern from the map here, the important room will be in the upper middle side of the map. One thing to note is that Conjuration is one of Safiyas opposition schools, so she wont be able to actually cast Summon Creature IX, which is something of a weakness for her. This will end Act I, for the record. Youll need to find the four soul housings that fit into here if you want to proceed past the door. Didn't realize how common Epic Resillience would be. If you head to the docks here, you can head into the sloop. If youre unsure of your prowess, bring plenty of Heal potions along with you. Having a full craving bar will indicate that you're letting the spirit-eater within you, which in turn will grant you new powers. With a little jawing, youll discover that hes actually a genie, although he seems to wish you no harm. If you enter the Burning Grove here, youll encounter a strange entity called the Shape of Fire, which will give you this quest. To the southeast, in the Blighted Trees portion of the forest, youll find a hunting dog. Most of the stuff he nabs are well worthwhile, though, as hell keep loading himself up with epic feats revolving around increasing his attack and critical strike ratio, as well as the Epic Toughness feat. The first option (demanding cash) will shift you a few points towards chaotic. How to Use NWN2 Cheats? If you havent finished the Loves Sweet Torment quest in the Wells of Lurue, now would be a good time to get that done. Regardless, Gulkaush will offer you her eye, which will allow you the Dream Haunting ability. 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