But then they completely screwed up the deal between them, my bank and the dealer costing me 6 weeks of down time from initial purchase. I am with K.Dmy floating key chain failed as well. I have been leaving messages at the Skeeter factory customer service and an individual extension that was given to me by one of the Skeeter dealers. Vinyl, Floating Boat Wish it has storage under seats. Display as a link instead, Nothing..ever. It came with one stripped screw hole that held on the plastic around the console. Software, Digital No major issues though. Not sure how many are in the poster's sampling. Racks, Fish Finders, Sounders I tend to believe you can find 1 in 10 owners of Skeeters, Rangers, Bass Cats, Phoenixs, Stratos, Nitros, etc. The best thing to do is find a fishing partner that is ordering a ZX225. It had some hiccups in the beginning, some that wasnt really the boats problem but the trolling motor (to be exact). Both dealers can't get any thing that resembles a response from the Skeeter factory; which brings me to my real problem. Found a few problems with my new Skeeter. Start building your future and the future of your generations today Contact her now on. I just bought an 03 Zx225 that's the Bass Master Classic Special Edition. Zincs, Generator Hinges and the back floor plate for the pedestal stand. So don't let someone else opinion stop you from investing on binary option trading. CREATE Hardware, Boat Cabin All rights reserved. Accessories, Boat Lift Canopy Smoke Accessories, Boat The common problems with Skeeter Boats to look out for include the following: Gel Coat Issues. Bullet Skimmer, Paint and Then the Dealer that I purchased from completely screwed up getting me my replacement plates and registration. Skeeter is popular for their Bass, Bay, Center Console, Freshwater Fishing and other among other classes and models. Seats, Fishing Boat Boat Trader currently has 753 Skeeter boats for sale, including 487 new vessels and 266 used boats listed by both individuals and professional dealers mainly in United States. Absolutely gorgeous boat and trailer. So don't let someone else opinion stop you from investing on binary option trading. JavaScript is disabled. Common issue with so many manufacturers. The drainage tub just doesnt have the slope so there is always a little water in it. Deals, Electronics Just bought a 2010 zx 225 a couple week ago, runs great, handles well, fishes just as good any boat out there, ran a 206 champ before. The tac and water pressure guage didnt work. Overall these available boats have an exceptionally shallow draft and average beam, attributes that make them a favorite for freshwater fishing, saltwater fishing, day cruising, watersports and overnight cruising. I finally found a good dealer to purchase a new 2016 ZX190 from, they jumped thru hoops to get it off of the Boat Show floor before it opened. Pumps, Livewell Aerator Pumps This is critical. WebBoat Trader currently has 743 Skeeter boats for sale, including 484 new vessels and 259 used boats listed by both individuals and professional dealers mainly in United States. i love it more than my 519 ranger i had. I've not heard of any of the things you mentioned. Some of the most iconic Skeeter models right now include: ZXR 21, ZXR 20, FXR21 Limited, 200 Zx and FXR20 Limited. Telling you to contact Humminbird is a bunch of you know what. Never drink and ride. I have the Yamaha 250 by the way with the factory prop. Handles, Life Jackets & Furniture, Boat Seat Pedestals & The fenders are rusting out - after less than a year (from the bottom up) due to being installed too close to the tires (per Irwin Marine - Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Could you be a bit more specific about your boat? Privacy Statement. No major issues though. Sounds like a bad setup. Carry it back to the dealer you purchased it from and have them do a water test. That will answer your questions. Personal Thank you When you turn the side bites down in the water and you can slide the butt around runnin over 60. I chose my boat colors directly from the factory. I will say that during boat show season the rumors always start to fly about various brands of boats. Been in sales for over thirty years. They have been great but again Skeeter has screwed up multiple times sending incorrect parts. (903) 984-0541. They can really show you the boats capabilities. If you like radical looks in a bass boat, the Skeeter FX21 LE should get your blood pumping. I have an '04 225 and absolutely love it. Read This Before Posting! crossin_eyes Participant Lakeville, MN Posts: 1218 May 4, 2013 at WebThe exit by DNA resulted in frustrations for the Skeeter i-Class and FX series boat owners, who were forced to become very creative to identify solutions to this problem. I have left messages with Maria in customer service and never received a return call. Re: Skeeter Boat You can find 18 1/2 footers that vintage for around $4k and that's with a 150. Hull and top cap are different. I've owned many skeeters and have never had any issues at all that weren't normal wear and tear or something caused by me. Sounds like you got one of those rare lemons Ken A was talking about. Communication, Auto Pilot Jacks, Boat Trailer Brakes & Floats off stumps like a dream.. which is great if you plan on fishing east texas. This material may not be posted on another website. Anyone use center console cooler for dry storage? Maintenance, Pumps and They did have to replace the windshield due to Yes dry storage is an issue. Anchor Box Anchors, Fishing Rod & Reel Backward not so much. Accessories, Electronic Navigation Supplies, Boston Whaler, 1972-1993, Dealer (Reynolds Marine) says that they are in contact It has no breaker panel and nothing seems to go to or come from any central point; everywhere you look it is just a mess of wires that hang down from the console and float around in the equipment compartment. Instruments, VHF Radios & All new products with moving parts are going to have issues on occasion. I've been in sales management for the last 15. Show up at the Skeeter Owner's Tournament June 2-5 and take a ride with one of the demo team guys. Can't wait!!! It's the best I've ever owned for reliability. Add a few years of added water weight, gear, full tank of gass.and Love the fact they went to a really great rod strap system, much better cooler, and all machined aluminum bow, dash and trim plates. Ski, Wakeboard Turning going forward is awesome. Your previous content has been restored. There are some cheap components on it. A hose not connected ran water all over the floor when the big motor was running, the livewell drain valves were Platforms, Slide Not a single complaint here. Sealant, & It's the best I've ever owned for reliability. I tried every possible trim and throttle combination and no help. Heck it's probably my fault from rigging my own boats and not giving them the proper tightness. The dealer told me that that is typical for any Skeeter. If they work and it is just the light, check the ground as each of those switches are ground to your dash ground in order to light up. I really like my 01 ZX225. Accessories, PWC Parts & Speeds below about 35 mph and it is impossible to nail an RPM because of the need to change throttle settings so frequently to stop the porpoising when it starts. Even better than the dozens of cars I've owned. Towers, Tow Ropes & Systems, Marine Plumbing Enjoy multi-species mastery with the WX2060. WhatsApp:+1 (415) 891-9549. Insulated Bow Baitwell, Minn-Kota 112 Ulterra Trolling Motor w/ iPilot, Yamaha T9.9 Kicker Engine w/ Remote Control, Length on Trailer (with Motor in Towing Position and Swing-Away Tongue Folded), Length on Trailer w/Motor Trimmed Vertical w/Swing-Away Tongue Folded (shortest length). Get the SHO! My Dad taught me to take care of all of my tools and I seldom have issues with homes, cars, motorcycles, 4 wheelers, trucks, from many many manufacturers. I'd definitely pitch $2300-2500 out there and see if they bite. Financing, Iboats High Back Reclining Helm Seat, Cabin and Parts, Wash Down Dren Ag99 is living in a different zip code than I am, with a 11 sho dual ppoles and custom color but i will tell you us old 04's do have storage under the seats, so take that denag99! Of the thousands of any boat model sold each year, 3 with issues doesn't equal "a lot" in my opinion. Ken - MA Wish they had storage under seats but no biggy. Have not had a single problem with it. All, Anchor & Would like to get some feedback from ZX225 owners on the good, the bad, and the ugly. Bilge Pump, Tires, Rims, & Hub Huntin' Ducks, Chasin' Pheasant, Catching Fish. I saw all this when I bought the boat but assumed it was because it was not rigged. Location Richlands,VA. Hard to call it a spin off. Given their classic, crowd-pleasing status as a popular, established boat brand, used Skeeter boats in good condition often make great candidates for boat repowering projects. As a result if you have trouble with a listing and require a refund please email refunds@verticalscope.com and include your transaction number, this will get your refund issued in priority sequence. Maybe someone out there will have some ideas on this. I have a single console also and it give me more room to move around. I would love to drop a SHO on the back of mine though. You can post now and register later. Deals, Pumps & Plumbing Deals, Boat Seats WebSkeeter cheaped out by going with EZLoader. Biminis, RV & Trailer boats.com is part of the Boats Group Network. I train my reps to sell the advantages of our company, product quality, customer service, our attributes and to never talk the competition down. **Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price (MSRP). Covers, Other Makes it sound as if many new Skeeters are having issues and I know that's far from the truth. Rollers, Boat Trailer Accessories, Marine DC Power Plugs See your local Skeeter dealer for complete details. Even better than the dozens of cars I've owned. WebRide: Skeeter boats can reach extreme speeds while continuing to be extremely agile. So now I have finally found another dealer to work with for Parts and Warranty and to purchase my next boat from. I don't think you will be disappointed with a new Skeeter. My Dad taught me to take care of all of my tools and I seldom have issues with homes, cars, motorcycles, 4 wheelers, trucks, from many many manufacturers. Locks, Boat Deck If you're still having problems resetting your password, Post a pic of your Skeeter. Thanks for your help. All of your comments are all correct. I have been to my dealer who can't find any problems and says there must be a problem with the unit plus the unit was wired at the factory and it is their problem. I could run around 61-62 mph (GPS) The customer is usually well aware of the shortcomings of their current supplier, so we don't need to point out the customer's stupidity in doing business with our competitors. If this is your first visit, be sure to Posted February 18, 2009. If this is your first visit, be sure to check out I've fished out of several other brands lately (as I'm looking to upgrade) and really appreciate the stable platform of the Skeeter. Mine runs 72.3mph with 225 and hits 70 tourney loaded with full tanks of gas. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below. Nothing..ever. Pros- solid fishing platform.. non better.. fishes real low to the water and no tippy. The wiring hung down and interfered with the hot foot.Nothing is labeled. Home|Skeeter I am with K.Dmy floating key chain failed as well. Rafts, Paddle While opinions can quickly become unfounded and based on no real life experiences, word of mouth and reputation are the American way and a real tool for examining and considering products the consumer has limited/no prior experience with. who will be happy to tell you all the issues they've had with their boats. Deals, Paint & Maintenance Ive got the zx200 and its sweet toojust not as big dangit! But then they completely screwed up the deal between them, my bank and the dealer costing me 6 weeks of down time from initial purchase. Sounds like a bad setup. I have crawled all through it and it is built very well. While opinions can quickly become unfounded and based on no real life experiences, word of mouth and reputation are the American way and a real tool for examining and considering products the consumer has limited/no prior experience with. Gear & Gadgets on the Texas Fishing and Outdoors Show, https://www.bulletboats.com/21xrs-fishing-boat.html, http://boatingindustry.com/top-stories/2ation-strategy/, https://m.facebook.com/Falconlakehideaway/, https://texasfishingforum.com/forums/pics/usergals/2017/01/full-4964-145329-img_0444.png, Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.3, Moritz Chevrolet - 9101 Camp Bowie W Blvd, Fort Worth, TX - Monte Coon (817) 696-2003. Ventilation, Interior & Cabin Oars, Wakeboard, Wakesurf & Coincidence that several of my friends beautiful Skeeters were sitting on EZ Loader trailers with broken welds and beautiful matching fiberglass fenders falling off the trailer? Private Only members can see who's in the group and what they post. I fish a lake with lots of standing timber and racing around the lake at high speeds is, wellstupid. A site for Skeeter boat owners to discuss Skeeter topics! & Just think the generalizing is a little strong. Handles great in rough water (three foot+ waves, just goose it up a little and skip across the top, the hull handles the waves great). Love the platform layout, and the day box. Loved the SX190, great boat had no problems at all with it or the motor. Yes there has been a few times I've had to tighten a screw a few times but I am very anal about making sure everything is tight too. Are you still under factory or dealer warranty? I've crawled around the ZX250 and they seem to be built very well. I've been running Skeeter since 1993 and had 15 new Skeeters over the years everything from ZX, I Class and FX20 now. I tend to believe you can find 1 in 10 owners of Skeeters, Rangers, Bass Cats, Phoenixs, Stratos, Nitros, etc. I have a dual console and glad I do. I would suggest buying it with a bigger motor Deals, Trailering I just ordered my new zx225 with 225 SHO man am I ready for it. Skeeter Boats steering Problem on 2004 Skeeter SL190 grandpasteve_1956 Aug 9, 2009 G grandpasteve_1956 Recruit Joined Aug 9, 2009 Messages 2 Aug 9, 2009 #1 I have a 2004 Skeeter SL190 with a 150 Yamaha that is hard to steer - difficult to turn the steering wheel. Products, Carbon Monoxide & Biminis, Paint and Axles, Boat Trailer Tie They believe it is some sort of rigging problem as do I because the unit does everything else perfectly except mark structure in side imaging mode. Yes there has been a few times I've had to tighten a screw a few times but I am very anal about making sure everything is tight too. Maybe somebody with a newer boat has a different experience. But once I ironed out the kinks and got down to fishing, its a phenomenal boat. Terminals, Marine Fuse Blocks & Haven't fished out of it yet, but will comment as soon as I do. 2014 zx200. About Us|Skeeter Gear|Skeeter Buzz|Career Opportunities|Safe Boating|Dealer Login|Your Privacy Choices|Privacy Policy|Accessibility|. Ken A. I actually said that there will always be lemons in any product line. hp. Boat Gel Coat - Spectrum Color, Pumps and Saying there are "a lot" of issues is relative. Good to see growth in the industry and the benefit for a small town. I've been in sales management for the last 15. Covers, Boat Seat Waxes, Boat Cleaning Tops, Bimini Top Seats, Offshore Boat Plumbing, Fresh Water Boat Boats may be shown with optional equipment. Allows you to choose the data by which the thread list will be sorted. Not sure how many are in the poster's sampling. & Dislikes, I think this is a great entry-level boat. KEDC said the expansion would enable Skeeter to produce a variety of the smaller essentials for the boats things like consoles, storage boxes and hatches and bring those employees under one roof in Kilgore while adding more positions.. 1986 Skeeter Starfire 160 with Yamaha 115. Please Help, ZX225 - Trolling motor prop "in" or "out", ZX owners - did you upgrade to a hyd jackplate, Mercury - 2.0/ 2.4/ 2.5 Liter High Performance, Mercury - 3 Liter & 3 Liter High Performance, Wanted to Buy - Other Than Fishing Tackle. The deep gunnels ensure your family and friends will be safe and secure in the cockpit, and spread out in comfort with room to seat up to six people. For years that has been the weak link. Skeeters are true man made works of art.. Besides Skeeter already has the most affordable fairly loaded platforms on the market in the ZXR series. The boat has a problem porpoising at low speeds. Category, View Fenders, Boat Trailer Detectors, Binoculars & Any ZX series Skeeter has a little rougher ride in rough water due to the flatter front of the boat. WebI bought my Skeeter WX2190 boat in 2013, the year that the new hull came out. Boat Repair, Boat Paint & Wiring is nice and clean, everything is done right. I have played with weight distribution, props, hydrofoils and adjusting the motor height. Downs, Couplers, Mounts, Is there a jackplate, etc. Deals, Electrical got a 18' skeeter that had the same problem , skeeter are weight sensity had to put a hydro foil on to get it not to porpoise made a big difference you may be power trim up to much when it start power trim down a little. Re: Problem switching fuel tanks on Skeeter [ Re: Lure_Chunker ] #7629426 06/10/12 08:02 PM As for the wiring I have a big ????? Tops, Other Reoccuring trailer problems literally kept me from considering one of my favorite boats during my last purchase. I ran 4 different Skeeters over the last 10 years. Then the Dealer that I purchased from completely screwed up getting me my replacement plates and registration. Caulking, Marine Engine Re: Skeeter ZX225 - Pros and Cons [ If the switches do not work then it is probably a blown fuse. Acessories, Fishing Outriggers & Boat, Sell A Even if it requires contacting HB they should be helping you out. Lenny is a graduate of the Westlawn School of Yacht Design, and he has won numerous BWI and OWAA writing awards. No issues with my FX21. All, Boat Bimini ?. Then the Dealer that I purchased from Parts Dept was a joke. I'm considering moving to a bigger boat and looking at a new ZX225 with the 225 SHO. By Sorry to hear that. Someone hears of 3 boats with issues and all of a sudden, there are a lot of issues. the big companies like skeeter ranger triton nitro an phoenix build 10 or more boats to some of the other builders one so you are going to have the opportunity to have more problems. Remember to observe all applicable boating laws. Galley, Covers and Acessories, Fish Cleaning I have done the servicing on the motor myselfso, since it was purchased, it hasn't seen a dealership since then for routine maintenance either. The new ZXR19 bass boat is equipped with the lates power and tech to fit right into high-performance, Skeeter has alway been a quality high end product for many years. I used to do them when I was a bit younger and didnt have a wife and kids at home they are fun though! The best companies are the ones that will stand behind their product and fix it to your satisfactionwhich I am quite sure Skeeter would. Get the Minn Kota, not the motorguide, that is the only change I would make to my boat. but are more than ready to tell you how it's all the manufacturers fault. Guess you're right about specifics. I have run boats of many types for many years and tried not to waste time explaining the obvious things you wou Hardware, Boat Seat The boat came with a manual jack plate so I tried lowering the motor 1/4 inch at a time about 1 1/2 inches then went back to the factory setting and repeated and reversed the process only going up. 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