Now the charge of English nationalism is a tedious, largely Remainer trope that I have dealt with elsewhere. It'll be operated quite differently. [8] The review had been launched in September 2018 and was led by Keith Williams. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Home Forums I am confident I could design a better package in a few hours, and I am not a design professional. But theres no particular reason this should be. GBR will own all stations and most infrastructure in Great Britain. I can only see negatives. A number of sets of coaching stock and a handful of locomotives received the livery, as well as most new multiple units and some existing ones. In terms of signage, here's what I was working on this morning: Compared to the superb branding packages of TfW and ScotRail, it does not say "come use the railway, it's good", it says "we have spent the bare minimum, stick to your car". It highlighted different ways in which Westminster could invest in Britains strategic transport network to better-integrate the nation. Another Class 52, No.D1015 Western Champion was delivered in another, darker yellow/brown colour described as 'Golden Ochre', though somewhat different from that applied to D5579. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Despite the InterCity brand having been introduced in 1966, in 1985 the word 'Executive' was dropped and the livery was applied to all coaches and many locomotives used on InterCity services. They are an intercity operator. You are using an out of date browser. Why? For me, it's time to sign off from the Great Western Railway Line. Then why was the old version called British Railways, not Great British Railways, and why the change now for the new version if British Railways worked . JavaScript is disabled. A corporate livery was created for major express services in Scotland, which effectively consisted of the InterCity livery with the red stripe replaced by a light blue one. Could GBRTT be right for you? One overarching brand, with sub brands sitting below it, for long distance services and regional brands all under the GBR moniker, much like we do today with Southern, South Eastern, South Western, Northern, etc. It was formed from the nationalisation of the Big Four British railway companies, and was privatised in stages between 1994 and 1997. Once we lose TOC branding I certainly think service categories need to return, if only on the Dutch basis of them only describing service patterns rather than anything else. On 10 June 1986, British Rail launched Network SouthEast, an organisation designed to cut across the traditional regional boundaries and deliver a co-ordinated train service for London and the surrounding region. Some franchise brand names are good, such as Trans Pennine Express, but perhaps those longer distance brands might be lost to one all encompassing GBR brand. [13], On 5 February 2022, the Department for Transport launched a public consultation for the location of GBRs headquarters. [5] As Rail Blue was introduced, the last locomotive recorded as being outshopped in a previous livery was Class 43 D838 Rapid which left Swindon Works in August 1968 in maroon. The colour often appears inaccurately in photographs, generally appearing brighter and bluer than the real colour. It really does look dire. English regions, Scotland, and Wales will have their own variants, but these will still emphasise the national nature of GBR. One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. Coaches from different regions could also often find themselves coupled together and trains of 2 or 3 mixed liveries were not uncommon. On the other hand Avanti's branding is awful - there is no "Italian flair" in it at all. In 1977 two Class 47 locomotives, 47163 and 47164, were painted by Stratford TMD with silver roofs and other decorations including a full body height Union Flag on each side, in celebration of Queen Elizabeth II's silver jubilee. Great Northern split, with the Moorgate services becoming part of the London Overground brand and the Kings Lynn route becoming part of the LNER brand. Launched as the London & South East Sector "Express Livery" this was a short-lived scheme which appeared on a limited amount of units and routes before the advent of Network SouthEast's "toothpaste" red white and blue striped livery. The rail system is a public service not an art gallery. The pleasure's all mine. The great livery might only look good on certain trains, while on others it looks rubbish. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . Great British Railways ( GBR) is a planned state-owned public body that will oversee rail transport in Great Britain, [1] with the exception of Transport for London and Merseytravel services, and light rail and trams elsewhere in England. [16] A public vote was held following the announcement.[16]. We need a sense of professionalism and togetherness, one branding brings that. [4] One locomotive, Class 47 No.D1733, was painted to match the coaching stock. This isn't true, there have been subtle changes. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; Im unsure about the livery as such, but if Great British Railways is taken forward, Id expect GBR to feature. When British Rail operations were divided into sectors in the mid-1980s, prior to privatisation, a new version of the Railfreight livery emerged giving the sectors individual identities. Not too dissimilar to the old Northern logo arrangement. This has been confirmed by records held at the National Railway Museum. it remains to be seen if their just gonna bite the bullet and conform the entirety of rolling stock on the GBR network to a nice Blue and Cream livery. It's the name of the island ffs. Swiss style would be nice, British society & culture wouldn't allow this as we for example don't have direct democracy as in Switzerland this is a very good example of how it can work, credit to Dispatcher on the Stour on Twitter. From 1956 maroon (similar to crimson lake) was adopted as the standard colour for coaching stock, with corridor coaches lined and non-corridor plain initially: later on all stock was lined. But then every time I look at a train, I'll think of a bus. And other European countries cope with DB trains in France, SNCF trains in Germany etc. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . Clean, modern, easy to read, looks good and in the right colour set. Bare minimum. For 2mm/N equivalents, change the start of the reference number FRH4 for FRH2. Why does it need to look the part - what does nationalisation look like? Class 14s D9537 (in desert sand livery) and D9539 prepare a double-head a train on the Ribble Steam Railway. London Midland (pre LNR), that was white on black but the same idea. Originally running from 1923 until 1948 when it became British Railway, LNER returned to the route of famous for the Flying Scotsman in 2018 when the . I quite like that version; I think I might like it even more if the black and the red were blue instead though. Other examples are available Once they'd ditched single colour liveries, they didn't really do anything that wasn't ", One can only hope for a Sectorised return to NSE. Sadly cream on modern stock looks quite bad, or I suspect one incarnation of GWR might have tried it white might work ok instead. Differences should merely be factual, not corporate. That's what happens when small-minded people look back on a classic that was before their time with a warped sense of populism. Because it's not going to be the same as BR. This long term strategy for rail will be a landmark resource, enabling a clear and agreed direction for the railway. We use cookies. [4] This was referred to as the InterCity Executive livery as the sets used were dedicated to operating morning/evening services operated for businesspeople. You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The final decision was to be made later in 2022,[16] but the result has not been announced as of February 2023. It's not going to be called Rail England and if it was, there'd be nothing "Queen Nicola" could do about it. The Double Arrow is used for stations on maps, so that's really a no-brainer frankly. Introduced originally by the Great Western Railway, the Travelling Post Office would set out from London in the dead of night and deliver . [8], Class 501 train in Rail Blue calls at Harrow and Wealdstone, Class 416 train in British Rail blue/grey livery calls at Dalston Kingsland station. Not so much the modern LNER though. The first and second MKC signs are pretty classy and look good. The first Class 31 entered service in November . [8][9], A fortnight before the WilliamsShapps Plan for Rail was unveiled, the Department for Transport gave notice of a 6.5million contract for Deloitte up to February 2023 as its "strategic change delivery partner: rail reform programme". All HS2 and NPR services to be branded as Intercity Express. for some form of co-branding. InterCity (or, in the earliest days, the hyphenated Inter-City) was introduced by British Rail in 1966 as a brand-name for its long-haul express passenger services (see British Rail brand names for a full history).. And if Northern are still running trains to Glasgow, a new paint job would be a great moment for the Government to stump up for good rolling stock. I'm not convinced "InterCity" services warrant different branding now, as they are no longer of premium quality in terms of service provision; in many case they're just regional or commuter services (thinks XC and GWR in particular). For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The XP64 train was used to test technology and carriage arrangements for the planned Mark 2 coaches. Introduced in 1965, and also known as "Monastral Blue", the colour was defined by British Rail standards BR28/6001 (Airless spray finish) and BR28/5321 (Brush finish). Feb 1, 2020. At present, train operators get to decorate their rolling stock in their own colours. I don't think there would ever be multiple logos for Great British Railways as you've alluded to - it would make it complicated for the end passenger. NR do infrastructure in Wales & Scotland, don't they? I don't think there would ever be multiple logos for Great British Railways as you've alluded to - it would make it complicated for the end passenger. I'd go along with that from a "looks right" perspective, but it would be almost impossible to see from (for instance) inside a train in darkness. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. There is also a British Standard paint colour BS381C 114 called Rail Blue which was introduced in 1964. [7], Under Network Rail, all stations are formally in public hands since 2014, but only 20 (mainly large termini and central stations) are managed directly by it. The colours were chosen to be different from those of any of the "Big Four" pre-nationalisation railway companies while retaining a traditional aspect. Bare minimum, low effort. European paint code RAL5020 ("Ocean Blue") is a good match to Rail Blue. 3 Apr 2022 . Nothing to bring it all together. don't see an issue anywhere, as long as the concessions stay branded with whatever. This livery was known as Large Logo livery as each side of the locomotive was dominated by a full body height BR double arrow symbol, and had the loco number prominently displayed at twice the previous size. As part of this work, the team engaged with industry through a formal call for evidence. Much closer to what I was meaning (thanks. Particularly if they are just vinyls on white painted trains. Erm are you sure about that? Thats a bit like saying everything has been invented, no need for anything more. The x-height of the lower-case lettering should be equal to the height of the horizontal arms in the symbol, so that the row of text appears to align with them. And it that light it is intriguing that Ministers have. This includes transport, with the first Union Connectivity Review being published earlier this year. You are using an out of date browser. This competition aimed to identify a place with a rich railway heritage, strong links to the national network and significant public support, while creating a great opportunity to promote the location as the proud home for the start of a new era in Britains railways. Infrastructure, passenger, and freight services were separated at that time. It appears that while the plan is to brand all trains under GBR with one branding, that plan involves a much longer time scale: . Something will need to be kept open for Open Access Operators to be distinguished. Due to the small number of units repainted it was common to see trains with two or more units in different liveries. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Rail Express Systems was the sector of British Rail responsible for transport of mail and parcels traffic. Every TfW station I've been to are still ATW-branded (in fact, Hereford yesterday). This was later modified for locomotives allocated to the Civil Engineer's department to include a yellow stripe on the upper bodyside, the resulting livery being known as "Dutch" due to its similarity to the corporate colours of the Nederlandse Spoorwegen.[18]. Here are his exact words: Hes concerned with the English vote. More middle days; they were improving quite a bit in the 1990s. JavaScript is disabled. Great Britain's railway system was built by private companies, but it was nationalised by the Transport Act 1947 and was run from then onwards by British Railways (which traded as British Rail from 1965) until privatisation, which was begun in 1994 and completed in 1997. The Great British Railways Transition Team (GBRTT) seeks to deliver the most ambitious changes to our railways in a generation, working with the government and across the rail sector. This livery suited these diesel hydraulic classes, and allowed the Western Region to once again show a degree of independence; it was not applied to any other diesel or electric classes (other than the Class 42/43 "Warships"). What is wrong with different routes and regions having different liveries? Bland, cheap, unimaginative. Class 52 No.D1015 restored to 1960's Western Region Maroon livery. Or do you think TfL should change their look away from using the current font simply because it's been that way since the 1930s or whenever? Privacy Noticeand Website Accessibility. The British Isles is a the collection of European islands consisting of Great Britain, the island of Ireland, Isle of Man and the northern islands that are part of Scotland. Railfreight livery, a colour scheme specifically for freight locomotives, was unveiled when Class 58 58001 drove through a plastic screen at Doncaster Works on 9 December 1982. This error in colour identification comes from an article and question published in a Model Railway Magazine in the 1950s, where the responding editor made the error, and it has frequently been repeated since then. I would say GWR (single colour) is a far better branding package than Avanti (3 colours). With the publication of the Williams review and the announcement of the renationalization of British Passenger Rail, i thought i might help out anyone exited for new liveries or branding for trains. GBR will be modelled on the operations of Transport for London, which contracts services on systems such as London Overground. Variants to the national brand will be developed to refect the English regions, Scotland and Wales, while emphasising that the railway is one network serving the whole of Great Britain. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . "Great" means "large", not "very good". Eventually, it was decided to standardise on a colour which became known as Rail Blue. That's a different argument (which I disagee with but that's not for this thread). It does affect other devolved rail operators, including ScotRail, Transport for Wales, London Overground, Elizabeth line (Crossrail), and Merseyrail, as well as the combined authorities that oversee other local railway networks in England. [2] It was a dark, greyish blue tone which hid the effects of dirt well. One thing that might work, though, would be to drop the full text from the red band and just have a subtle double arrow on the right hand side in that. British Railways (BR), which from 1965 traded as British Rail, was a state-owned company that operated most of the overground rail transport in Great Britain from 1948 to 1997. It still has to look good decades from now. https://twitter.com/MrTimDunn/status/912009372292780033. At the moment, the TOC mostly differentiates this. Because it was a nationalised industry run by the British Government. It does because it's public perception. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Several Class 31 locomotives received white waist stripes, these being The purpose of this call for evidence was to develop an understanding of how much of the current and future market demand for freight could be met by rail, and the role rail can play in the nations supply chains. I wonder if we might actually see things like "Northern - by Great British Railways" rather than one single overarching branding. There is surely a case at least for putting the cross-border inter-city services in national colours (perhaps an updated take on Network SouthEast), to match the saltires splashed all over Scotrail trains. Budgets and delivery will be held at the local level as well as at the national level. This livery was well received by enthusiasts but as the Class 56s only hauled freight, it was decided to extend the experiment to a passenger loco. I just see the thing as extremely surface level. Most of the coverage has focused on this. Due to the consequent muddle of liveries, many trains began to get an untidy if not tatty appearance which added to the run-down image of the railway. GBR is currently running a competition to find a town or city outside London to host its headquarters. . 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