NONE . by Paul Engstrom, Aviation Writer and IFA Member. https://airfactsjournal-images.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/06180933/doctorlargesquare1.jpg, https://airfactsjournal-images.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/06142440/Air-Facts-Logo340.jpg, COPYRIGHT 2011-2023, SPORTSMAN'S MARKET, INC. All Rights Reserved. I am in full support of the exemption and hope you will support it too; after all, it has worked for the Sport program and it seems it will work for you! Age is only a number. Im also struggling with depression. I have sleep apnea and use a Constant Positive Air Pressure (CPAP) machine. Also remember Ronald Crews 16 months in jail flying with Cape Air back in 2006 for lying about his diabetes on question 18k and then he had a diabetic seizure in flight but luckily there was a student pilot there to land the plane. Obviously, the Veterans Administration and the military are still struggling to understand PTSD and have been dropping the ball for 50 years. I would be totally fine with an evaluation, but it sounds like a lengthy- expensive- and rather rigorous test that offers no gurentee to a medical. By comparison, about that same number of deaths a year are caused by lightning strikes or even falling out of bed. The airman who never was on medication for depression and certinatly never had a hospitible addmitance was now having to prove a negative. One way is by lying. Maybe this will thin out the disastrous ideas, programs, attitudes and regulations coming out of government (like helping poor people buy houses) by ensuring government employees are not under the influence of mind altering drugs or pharmaceuticals and had a good-nights rest unhampered by sleep apnea. Make a copy of the original and keep that in a safe place. I am 55. One of the questions is, have you ever had unconsciousness for any reason.. The system is imperfect in many ways and should be fixed, I do not disagree with that. The FAA medical process makes it nearly impossible to comply with completely. Drowning deaths 2400 Delaying your AME appointment over several weeks to gather the right information can eliminate months of review by the FAA. I was then a County Police Officer for 21 years. Now, prostate cancer several years in the past with normal PSAs now is not a hindrance and the AME is instructed to issue the medical certificate. In other words, bigger name on the other line. I can understand, in the last 5 years, but most of my things are now 20 years old and I still have to report them-no change. Once everything is done and documented properly,they should issue the medical quickly. I forgot to mention that your Idea sounds like a good Idea. To self certify? Does the FAA really pull your medical permanently? A wise man once said to me that the more you tell them the more you with have to sit through. N Thats out of tens of millions of flights. Responding to a letter from the FAA about your medical certificate almost always requires you to provide detailed notes from your treating physician(s) and other objective evidence to show you are safe to fly. Here is my suggestion: Expand the gross weight of light sport airplanes to something like 1800 pounds. Help is only a phone call away! It is a good thing that there are no sport airplanes to rent in your location. ASMEL, CFII, AME, Hi, Im currently a student pilot I finally saved up the money to go after my dream. Most those fellas at the FAA seem pretty smart, but they must be pretty spineless too. If I remember correctly, being off antidepressant medication for 6 months or longer makes the problem that required the medication no longer an issue. MEDICAL CATEGORY 3: This category applies to the issue or revalidation of Student Pilot Permit, Helicopters, Gyroplane, Balloon, Pilot Permit, Gyroplane, Private Pilot Licence Aeroplane, Helicopter Pilot Licence, Flight Instructor Rating, Glider, Ultra-light Aeroplanes. So do we really want 10+% of our commercial pilots to be flying with untreated major depressive disorders? Good guy, good doc, been at it a long time, Im healthy and got my 3rd class. Now then, back to your question do pilots lie about medical conditions to their AME naaaaaaah! You can mail or fax your request for aircraft records or Request Copies of Aircraft Records online. Im not saying I have a medical cert, but if I did this is what I would do. Further, you fly with your family and maybe some of your employees if you use an aircraft for business transporation. All pilots know that after taking the physical they self-certify before every flight for the next year or two. If thats not a bigger threat to safety, I dont know what is. Anymore stringent than the First Class Medical is now would end up grounding many older pilots. Perhaps its not actually a lie, maybe just selectively forgetting something. Major unions have lost court cases and in one instance suffered severe financial damage in the process. Great guy, but he needlessly put a lot of peoples lives in danger. Too much information could mean denial of the application and bureaucratic warfare with the FAA. In short, the FAA doesnt check medical records unless they have a reason to i.e. This applies to ANY wildcat actions, including slowdown, work-to-rules, withdrawal of enthusiasm (WOE), sickouts, etc. I do not expect it to change in my life time. Yes I can agree even thought I am a pilot right now I do want to work for the airlines one day so I will need a first class which I currently hold. I agreemost pilots at least fail to mention things. They are actually almost the same as for Third Class. However, I also think that the standards for commercial and airline pilots should be more stringent. Brian, you are right on about AMEs being able to grease the wheels for pilots with the FAA medical people. I am not an AME but am a flying physician with long experience chairing and serving on the EAA Aeromedical Council. Multiple assaults or domestic convictions might indicate some psychiatric disturbance that requires looking into. The same diseases that the FAA uses to ground pilots should restrict driving. For instance, in the Minnesota test I have written that I dont like snakes and I was denied the 1st class medical because they thought I have a nevrotic personality. All because of a blood pressure medication I put on my 2012 medical form. Bicycle accident deaths 700 Home | About | Contact | Copyright | Report Content | Privacy | Cookie Policy | Terms & Conditions | Sitemap. Also, if you are too young for that, they can check other insurance companies and, apparently, a company, McKesson I believe, that gathers and compiles statistical data from and for insurance companies. Now a question: Should 80+ year old pilots with type II diabetes, hypertension, a coronary artery stent or two, on 3-4 medications be allowed to fly a 6000# gross weight airplane with 5 passengers up to 14,000 feet, VFR or IFR without having had a medical exam by an AME? If you dont take a medication NOW, it does not need to be reported. I took medication for years, before I decided I didn't like and chose to stop taking meds (with my parents). It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action. In our experience, only a small minority of pilots actually try to maliciously conceal significant active medical problems. If he admits it and is taking an approved medication, there are a few extra steps but he will maintain his medical. The next hell will be finding out what conditions they place on that SI. Type 2 diabetes, with oral medication, receiving a special issuance every year, until this last one, when the FAA generously determined my AME could recertify me, annually, for five years. Get thorough guidance on how to proceed. John has been quoted or mentioned in major publications, including Chron, Flying Mag, and National Review. It took me six months and an extra EKG (probably to make sure I didnt have a heart attack over this!) Your email address will not be published. Ive no choice but be truthfull,but I am sure Ive flown with other pilots who are afraid of admitting or just dont admit that they are not fit to fly themselves or their passengers safely.Does that ache youve been noticing or even worse ignoring mean something? File closed. If the FAA ever decides to search to see if he is taking any prescription medications (which they dont do often, but they have the ability to do), they will most likely pull his medical permanently for falsification. If you are currently taking any of these medications or other type of stimulant, expect your Aviation Medical Examiner (AME) to defer your application and ultimately for the FAA to deny your application until the medication is discontinued (and potentially for at least 90 days thereafter). Congress should forbid the FAA from requiring any medical for recreational flying. At a minimum, the liar can lose flight provileges for good. The FAA can get your records from Social Security if you are on Medicare. . I have a perfect driving record,clean medical history,and also a clean criminal history. Everyone lies technically. Makes no logical sense. You know what, I think we should drown the FAA in paperwork in protest. Thanks,for the new online magazine. Thank you for the help. I didnt lie on my Class 3 medical, was a 55 yr. old student pilot, have since been told by several older pilots that I was honest but naive. So how many depressed pilots (especially those who do it for a living) are flying? Try walking in my shoes and you will not agree with that statement. If its temporary, shaddup about it. see you in the cockpit!! There shouldnt be different standards for flying than are for driving. Im not trying to be deceitful, but I really want to be prepared for this interview and I dont see the importance of something that wont effect flying. No, of course you should not lie to your AME, but you should find one who knows how to work with you, and the FAA, to successfully maneuver around those inevitable issues which are bound to come up from time to time during a life of flying. I hadnt had any issues or symptoms for over 10 yrs., doctors Id seen always pronounced me fit & healthy. Regardless of whether or not you would get caught, a better question to ask is why would you try to get away with it? Its not lying its letting them find out, which would probably never happen unless something came out about it. Here in Italy Superman still dictates. Do you need to have 20/20 vision to be a pilot? Again, Im not arguing against the need for medical certification, but the process needs some serious streamlining. When the whole 3rd class medical requirement is seen in a larger context, its absurdity can be seen. I have all kinds of things happen to me and I can not possibly put them all down or even remember them. Bury the third class in favor of drivers licenses, who cars come with inches of mine, go against lights, etc. Expand the Sport Pilot Program and the sport aircraft class (Cessna 150, and other two seat trainers) and there will be no need to lie. On the part of most pilots here its not lying. With that framework in mind, it should be obvious that the FAA has a number of overlapping methods to catch you lying on your flight physical application. AMCD will consider much more than the information you submitted in MedXPress and your AMEs exam findings. Unfortunatley I have seen too many accident reports where the pilot was on prescription medications (found during the toxicological examination)many of them disqulifying, and none of them were reported on the medical application. Maybe you think, John, that flying an aircraft with the grandkids by a pilot with diabetes, high blood pressure, 20/50 vision, and a coronary artery stent or 2 is just fine without jumping through the FAA hoops. Before every flight (sometimes several per day) I self qualify myself THAT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY AS PIC!!! Auto accident deaths 30,000. Who gave the FAA the power to stop pilots from flying because they take antidepressants? What Are the Chances of and Penalties for Getting Caught Lying on an FAA Medical? The FAA processes close to 400,000 flight physicals every year. FAA needs to justify their man hours.with scapegoats. No legal issue or problem is too small or too large for The Ison Law Firm. Holy hell! As for lying on the medical form, lies can be undiscovered for a lifetime of flying, but if there is an incident or accident, the FAA and/or NTSB will dredge up every doctor visit, medication, hospitalization they can. They didnt even send him a letter informing him about his conduct. At worse, you may face a hefty fine or even criminal prosecution. The FAA gives final denial to only 0.01% of applications. When that happens, your whole medical history will come under review. Since my late 30s, I have taken meds to control my blood pressure. They generally do not spend a significant amount of time reviewing each one. My name is not Gustavo either. I flew for 16 years in the Air Force with a known heart murmur that I know would preclude me form a civilian 1st class. PLEASE HELP Those are hard to fake. Personally, I feel that if I am medically safe enough to drive then I should be safe enough to fly. Manage it and you will not have to lie to the FAA, or your AME, or your PCP. The only truthful answer is yes, most every night. The only variable is about what. Dr. House. Look at that, all 4 of them had a diagnosis from the VA. More than anything, this should be pressing the FAA to adjust how they look at mental illness and flying. Due to the self-reporting nature, the chances of getting caught lying on an FAA medical aren't very high. Sometimes, your case can be put higher up in the stack. Good Luck. Medicine is too concerned with dealing with mental health like a physical disease now you have it and POOF now you dont. Many of the requirements for special issuance for example are redundant and simply bureaucratic paper chases. If they say that you have a condition that requires you to be grounded, then fill out an 8500-8 medical form. I told the truth (that I had a very early-stage, very treatable cancer) and had my medical yanked. Fly with a friend and share expenses, help a youngster learn to fly and let them fly you around in your plane. I got the picture regarding medical, but am concerned about the section regarding legal history. In reality, all pilots (no matter what their license) self-certify their fitness to fly every time they fly. During an FAA medical, a urine test will take place that checks sugars and protein levels. Next, instead of the Class 3 Medical Certificate being good for 5 years until age 40 when it decreases to 2 years, make the decrease more gradual. It does happen. That is the FAA point of view. Did you know that most of the articles at Air Facts are written by readers like you? I was even showing a bit of talent for it and progressing very nicely towards my private pilot certificate. My ex hubby did it yearly. Needless to say, I have never taken a $100 Hamburger flight. lie if you want, hell find out. At worse, you may face a hefty fine or even criminal prosecution. By logging into your account, you agree to our. The FAA is able to see what medication a pilot has been subscribed because they have access to the national prescription database. We only use the I hesitated to contact the FAA as I didnt want to deprive this man of his dream to be a pilot but the risk of harm to himself and to others was greater than His Dream so I sent a detailed letter. On checking this I was advised the costs would be in the region of 600+. If you cant pass the physical you need to find another way to fly. your PIC in the Cockpit might have the most serious medical condition, but will never no it thats why the federal government made the HIPPA law. NO. But it doesnt because the public wouldnt tolerate it. He did not disclose any of his medical issues to the AME, and passed his medical in 2011. She rekindled an unpursued interest I buried over 30 years ago when we got married and started having children. Is being illiterate a bar to being a pilot conquer? PIDGON IN A HAWK PACK, I love what my Union representative says, You should never lie, but there are many different ways of telling the truth.. Period. Well, I believe we should have to have a medical to operate a car, a motorcycle, a truck, a bus, a train or any type of machine that is exposed to or involved in transportation. Your family and friends consider you more important than any flying you may do. Of course they do. The absurdity of these medicals resides in the tiny number of casualties from medical incapacitation, compared to most other activities requiring no medical. Ive seen pilots successfully conquer exams and die days later (in flight). Before I was flying my previous HMO physician told me I was the perfect patient for the insurance company because I hadnt shown up for seven years. what tests you need, when you need to take these tests, etc) to satisfy the FAA that youre good to go. Emmons wait until you have an episode of situational hypertension or have to see a marriage counselor. Some records reviewer in OKC can not guarantee those in my aircraft a safe journey only I can do that. The only way around this is to pay for all of your medical care yourself and not use insurance. And yet still I do not feel I can speak freely to them. Another friend had accompanied me to this testing and he sat across the table from me so that he could see the doctors actions. If the FAA knew the real medical condition of most pilots, they would loose thier certificates too. Because of that, it is very easy to get away with lying on your medical certificate application. Those marathons at age 26 paid off. Me- private pilot ASEL, Airplane Instrument, flying since 1986. Im older now and have some typical late 40s health issues. Took the FAA medical (stand on this leg, stand on that leg can you see anything out of this eye, can you see anything out of that eye). Most women get frequent headaches-about once a month, and heaven forbid but we do go to the doctor and get X-rays and tests once or twice a year. So Rex you never spun around and got dizzy as a child? FAX your completed Request for Airman Medical Records Form to (405) 954-9326. The information they request is typically a collection of recent medical records that address the concerns they identified in your application. On the subject of medical self certification, read the announcement by the AOPA and the EAA. In fact, as I write this, I see over on the corner of my screen a tweet entitled Older pilots are safe pilots. A related question would be do people fly without a medical illegally? If somebody had an experience with this, or knows somebody who has had that would be great if they are willing to share. Should I be worried? One is. I fly a Cirrus, my wife knows how to pull the parachute. Type II diabetes, coronary artery stents, history of myocardial infarction (heart attack), various cancers, and several other diseases are disqualifying, but Special Issuance can be obtained by doing the hoop jumping that the FAA requires, such as providing a statement from your treating physician, listing the medications that you take, do you have any side effects from the medications, do the medications actually work. I was an investigator for the CIA from 2001-2006 and armed security for CIA facilities for 4 years after that. Heres more information on the FAAs battery of neuropsychological testing: https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/dec_cons/disease_prot/adhd/. Bungee jumping. Aside from that, I think that few pilots lie but, as Huck Finn said of Mark Twain, there was things which he stretched, but mainly he told the truth., See my comment about the unconsciousness question. If they can just rid the world of these bothersom pilots then their job will be much easier. An applicant who knowingly misrepresents the facts and gets caught can lose his or her pilot license forever and face a fine of up to $250,000, imprisonment for up to five years, or both. I would respect them more if they screened for problems and helped people cure them, rather than go over the hill with a knee jerk reaction. Fess and get a special issuance if necessary. My AME is like a brother to me and a damn good doc to boot Lamentably, if I have something which could be a liability to me on my next medical, I can not ask my AME/best friend about my problem, and discuss it with him. I know a guy from the US (cant tell his name) that told me that he has lied at least one time, he was overweight and had high blood pressure, he was medicated but he never told that in his annual. For pilots with health problems that aren't debilitating but possibly disqualifying, 'fessing up on the application for a third class medical certificate can be a busted-if-you-do, busted-if-you-don't proposition. But the standards are not different. And, apparently, if and applicant for a first medical certificate with student certificate has had epilepsy, he/she can be deferred even if seizure-free for more than 10 years. The FAA makes it clear what counts as a disqualifying condition. Usually, that period of time is 60 days. 13. The states set the standards for driver licenses and the Feds set the standards for pilot medical certificates and pilot certificates. Further more, if an airman lies and is in a serious accident with injuries or fatalities, his entire medical history will be examined and subsequent legal action may not be beneficial to his or her heirs. KL, He had diabetes. The 3rd class medical crosses the line where freedom is unreasonably denied in the pursuit of absolute safety. I reported hypertension and was required to have an entire cardiac work-up within the past 6 months. One change I would like in the current procedure for the special issuance is to have my AME rather than those in Oklohoma City decide if I am healthy enough to fly. I aeree. PER your admission the need for a medical is a mute issue I drive there for I fly. Duration of Medical Certificate Pilots who are age 40 and older will still renew a third class medical every 24 months. Who would you send them to? Theres also the issue of things that a doctor may speculate on that they have no training or qualifications to formally diagnose. What Are the Chances of Getting Caught Lying on an FAA Medical? As they say the truth eventually comes out but sometimes lies can go untold forever and I believe there are pilots who are flying around in our airspace with disqualifying medical conditions that should be special issuance or not even have a medical. The FAA Medical requirements need revision and made more rational instead of simply being a procedural nightmare for pilots. He was flying with ryanair and was due to move to emirates. Im applying for a job where they train you to be a helicopter pilot. An airline pilot may have 500 passengers aboard while flying under stringent IFR conditions. Many pilots get away with submitting false information on their MedXPress applications. Email me at [emailprotected]. A. Thats a good way to get into a LOT of trouble. Experts offer these tips: When he isn't flying, Paul Engstrom writes and edits from Sebastopol, Calif. They rely on that trust and the deterrence provided by the severe penalties at their disposal to preserve the integrity of the medical certification process. Back when I was an F/O we flew in airplanes with single head radios. My problem is with it taking MONTHS of run around after the issue is handled to the FAAs satisfaction per the conditions they themselves tell us we need to meet. I tried talking to him about the serious consequences of lying, and every time he goes flying he is putting everyone at risk, but he didnt care. The Aviation Medical is the most expensive physical exam I have ever had and also the least thorough medical exam I have ever had. Id probably be in better shape if I *wasnt* a pilot since Id feel free to take advantage of those things, whereas now theyre just traps, ways to lose the ability to fly. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); All information found on medmg.org is intended for informational and educational purposes only. I hid it from the FAA for 12 years They found out I didnt disclose it and revoked ALL my certificates ATP multi-single engine land, Commercial rotorcraft and glider as well as all my flight instructor certificates. If you fear denial, speak to someone that knows what they are talking about, not a blog. Others accept what the agency is trying to do'protect everyone's best interests'and play by its less-than-perfect rules. Before submitting your application, you will be required to review the penalties above, certify that you know the FAA will be scrutinizing your medical history, and authorize the National Driver Register to provide the FAA with a copy of your driving record. But the feds harass pilots, not drivers, because they can get away with it with pilots but not with drivers. Told the truth, The FAA took my license. No pill makes that any different no weekly conversation with an over-paid, disinterested asshole makes it different either. Now I am only minutes away from completing my first flight medical form without any worries! So why open a can of worms by telling the aviation medical examiner? Why? I am a rental pilot as well, and unfortunately, there are no sport rentals available, and they are too expensive to buy. Still there are occasional exceptions where a commercial or airline pilot dies in the cockpit. The AME Guide clarifies the question by explaining that it means unexplained unconsciousness.. Thank you for the post. The other crewmembers will consult the seniority list to see how they fare after my death. I Fly America Would the FAA prefer people to auger in because they are depressed rather than get a medication. All medical certificates are valid for 60 months, unless youre 40 or older the day you get it (then its 24 months). Eat right, excercise, dont smoke, and dont take drugs of any kind. My admitting to counselling halted my medical. If after that the FAA denied your application, you can seek reconsideration of that denial by making a few substantive arguments. One just hopes that the untruths are regarding minor medical issues they feel will disqualify them that wont compromise their safety as well as all others around them. I have been flying with a special issuance 3rd class physical for 15 years. It doesnt seem to exhibit much intelligence to uselessly act excited after the fact instead of before. They came within 2 weeks of revoking my medical. This is just as important an issue as the proverbial get homeitis.. It can also ensure you keep flying for years to come. So whatever reason the FAA brings to you such as your depressed or you have ADD, they dont know what the **** theyre talking about. N.C., one does not have the right to lie to the feds investigating an illegal act. I was better off lying. The real question is; Do you trust you AME? There are heart transplant pilots flying. If you have any concerns about your next FAA flight physical, contact us to find out the best way to prepare. Question 18m. I completely agree with you. Most major airlines are in negotiations at this time, and many are contentious. 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