Petes teaching and emphasis on the sufficiency of Christ leaves an indelible mark on so many of our souls. Im Julie Roys. And I think there is a healthy fear. The Elder Board has accepted Petes decision, and his resignation is effective March 31, 2019. And I think that Bill Hybels created an advocacy structure around him by having that many lawyers on the board. And another womans situation, theyre in an elder board meeting, and Bill Hybels, you know, has his hand on a womans leg, and no one else can see. Its M-I-L-G-R-A-M the Milgram experiment, but basically American researchers were trying to figure out after World War II, why so many in German society were willing to go along with the Nazis or go along with their leadership, do incalculably horrible things to people. Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. WebPete Briscoe is a podcaster and evangelical pastor. I dont think that he caused the elder board to resign. This is simply a place where I share the message of Gods unadulterated grace through my preaching sermons and bible teaching. Why did so many look the other way for so long? Hes also the chairman of the elder board at a multisite megachurch in Dallas, Texas. And he came back and said, I cant do this anymore.. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. Well, and it troubles me too, that so many of our Christian organizations seem to be more beholden to lawyers advice and counsel than they do the Word of God. They didnt have the ability to move quickly. I am thrilled to be here. I think it took courage. Hes just an affectionate kind of guy. Understanding & Overcoming Spiritual Abuse, Part II, Understanding & Overcoming Spiritual Abuse, Escaping & Healing from Abusive Churches, Part 2, https://world.wng.org/sites/default/files/issues/pdf/world_sep012018.pdf, https://www.billionbibles.com/voice-of-the-martyrs.html. I was blown away. I did live it. In fact, I know some of them. etc. Well, I tried other churches and its more of the same. Its something like Child Protection Policies. And Willow lost the battle of PR on social media. What makes you stick with that model and believe it can still be used despite how badly that model has been abused? Dear anonymous. Correct? I hope someday I can overcome this cynicism because I need Church as it should be. If you want to know what grooming looks like in the context of church, every elder at a church of any size should read this book. That is a very fair question. Welcome to the Roys report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. The other woman that Mitch represented will remain confidential but both these cases enabled Mitch to peek behind the curtain at Willow Creek and view upclose some of the dysfunctions that led to that scandal. Senior pastors dont need advocates. And I think it wasnt a problem, Mitch, because everybody always agreed with whatever the senior pastor wanted. Please know you are not alone. Theres another circumstance that I became aware of where The board had a 360 Review done on Hybels and his leadership and some problems they were experiencing with his management style from, you know, bullying, abusive style. Please contact us or click here to learn more about how to enable JavaScript on your browser. Theyve got a little bit of the guide part. Because we represent their interests. So thank you. What eventually broke the culture of secrecy and protection? Its How do we protect the entity and the entity as expressed through the person of Bill Hybels? Once you make that decision that youre willing to protect the entity or the person in charge of the entity to the detriment of members of the body or members of the staff, youve made some poor choices that are going to have consequences. And I could explain why I think thats funny, but you have to have extreme accountability, the larger your platform gets. It took a variety of forms. Yes, I totally agree. The radio program began to attract listeners and supporters, enabling the ministry to expand its broadcasting to a growing number of stations throughout the United States and abroad. That way, youll never miss an episode. Basically, theyre a rubber stamp., Julie, I have a different take on what happened at WCC. Briscoe stepped down as senior pastor at the end of 2000 but remained involved in the church and active in overseas missions. The other thing I wanted to talk to you about in you mentioned this in earlier discussion we had about the identity of elders and how so often, and I dont think its just elders, I think its a lot of the senior pastor leadership and staff that their identity tends to become enmeshed with the success or failure of the organization theyre a part of. And Ive been a critic of megachurch multi-site model. At the same time, hes writing a book and writing articles for Christianity Today about marriage purity. Yeah, my understanding of that of the history has come from interviewing witnesses, talking to people who have served in those roles and hearing their stories at Willow. And I had a wonderful experience. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. What is it that causes so many people who know better, to look the other way and allow evil to prosper? Leave them alone. I can see the elders (more than half of which were women), and people in general saying, It was only a hug. WebLearn More About Pete Today - Pete Briscoe God loves you to distraction, There is nothing you can do to make Him love them more or less, And, that Life with this Lover God is rich beyond description, regardless of your performance. It was like trying to fit a battleship through a set of French doors. That night we had a guest speaker come in for a special presentation. I had no idea what to expect as this lone man stood on the stage. The news of Petes resignation landed heavy on my heart. These little bitty people, from Willows perspective, who helped win the PR back, its a miracle. Inside their system, they need to be guarded, governed, guided. So whos supposed to hold whos supposed to hold the leaders accountable in that structure? I think they can do it effectively. Im against too many lawyers, and I think Im in a position to critique this. I appreciate your taking time again away from your vacation to spend time with us. Later Telling the Truth began airing in several countries in southeast Asia and across 10 countries in southern Africa. I think there were a few major events. So if you think of Willow as being a living thing, we are willing to put other things to death on the altar of preserving that organism. And to do that, we must avoid falling into the trap of our Christian beliefs being pitted against culture in the public sphere of debate. The church is nondenominational and has woman pastors and elders. It is what manifests. For that we are forever grateful. WebPete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrys teaching team from 2003 to 2021. I think the load needs to be shared. And theyre born knowing how to do that. It was stunning to me. Okay, how it didnt bring accountability. If you go back through Willow Creeks archives, you can see all the, you know, the authors of books who came in and were platformed at Willow Creek. He now coaches Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI. So a young person in our high school ministry. The outside investigation report said something along the lines of, Bill Hybels hundreds or thousands of emails with this woman were, not available. Well, as it turns out my understanding from talking to witnesses, those emails were actually destroyed. Yeah, totally agree. Yeah, yeah, I think I think thats a good word to Julie. Stuart Briscoe died on August 3 "of natural causes unexpectedly" according to a tweet from his son, Pete Briscoe. I think, as believers, we should be standing for truth, we should not look the other way. You can read about them at their website Teaching the Truth. Pete Briscoe, our pastor at our church came out in support of the Dyers, which was bold, and it was brave. And youre in the process right now of looking for a senior pastor. Do we have a theology of goodness at our church? But it was after a period of I dont know the details, and I dont know how much youre at liberty to say them, but its my understanding he went away for a period of time to kind of reflect and assess how he was doing and how he was handling things. This is simply a place where I share the message of Gods unadulterated grace through my preaching sermons and bible teaching. I mean, there were some things that you learned specifically, that were done to potentially cover wrongdoing by Bill Hybels. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? And thats what, thats what you end up protecting right? Right? Pete reminds us that our goal is not to win arguments, but to win people. Its the biblical admonition, you know, to hold a knife to your throat lest you desire the Kings delicacies. The Journal Sentinel reported: Elmbrook resignations are the latest to rock evangelical Christian churches. Frankly I find church to be excruciatingly lonely. Julie, thats whats so interesting about this story to me as I got deeper into it, I started to understand That, you know, when you go to the movies, and you see a story, you expect, okay, that guys the villain. And he offers keen insights that are desperately needed as many churches today struggle to be healthy and to avoid the mistakes other megachurches have made. Volunteers monitored the process in real time, turning over cassettes at the appropriate time to record on the second side. That to me, is a corruption of the role. Is that correct? When you think about the economic reach of an organization that was that size within evangelicalism, my goodness, even Christianity Today was scared to run articles about it. And I was sitting in my office one day and Vonda picked up the phone and gave me a call and kind of told me what was coming down the pike in terms of the Chicago Tribune article that basically lit the fuse on that entire situation at Willow. Theyre involved in their own issue right now. and I found these people in those imperfect churches! That was my upbringing. You have your identity rooted in something other than Christ, the centrality of Christ. At the same time. He, Becky and their kids have been part of the fabric of BT for so long, it is Im wary of the theatrical, evangelical stars that are so prevalent now. To us, he was Stu, Dad and Poppa and we already miss him achingly." Heres to better days and better church health. Hi Julie, my name is Teresa and I was wondering if Voice of the Martyr was a good place to donate. And its like, now someone inside the tribe has said, Something is wrong here and it must be dealt with. And it took someone of Scot McKnights gravitas to be able to shift the discussion at Willow. Its a serious analog for what happened at Willow. We were talking a little bit about the elder board. And basically, my understanding is his cavalier attitude was, Well, Ill just pick up and Ill open a new church down the street [if] you dont you dont like me the way I am.. Ive asked that question many times. I appreciate your feedback. It is also the church in which Pete Briscoe, my former wonderful pastor, grew up in. And yet youre still in a megachurch, multi-site church. And you you actually refer to it as multi-level marketing. That goes to the guarding role that Attorney Mitch shared. It manifested even at the IT level at the church. A man who "dedicated his life to sharing Gods Word with the world" has died at the age of 91. Pete is the son of Jill and Stuart Briscoe. Pete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrysteaching team from 2003 to 2021. At one point, the elder board at Willow became what people call a policy governance board. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth 's media outreach. Pete Briscoe @petebriscoe 12 Dec 2021. I have plenty of authentic friends just not at church. Im good friends with Vonda Dyer, who worked at Willow and was one of the women who bravely came forward with her story about her interactions with Bill Hybels. These are people that may be in the cubicle next to you at work, who have an acuity for blending in to normal life. The thief knows how to how to get through that lock, right? Today were talking with Pete Briscoe, who served as the senior pastor for nearly three decades at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, Texas, and now consults with and coaches pastors. Why did so many look the other way for so long? I know about the deleted emails. But heres what happened when Scot criticized them publicly. In another area, it might be used to groom someone and use vulnerability as a mechanism to draw people into something that is corrupt. I know that the original elders of Harvest thought they could keep James accountable despite the knowledge that he had glaring character flaws from the beginning. That nonprofit corporation and its bank accounts, thats not what the biblical church is. So Scot, its like the scene in The Avengers when Iron Man just kind of drops out of the sky. As a lawyer whos represented some of Bill Hybels victims, Mitch Little has seen a side of Willow Creek that few others have. Lawyers are, by definition, advocates, right? God showed him through that sermon how his trip was actually isolating and began a process of transformation. WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. A man who "dedicated his life to sharing Gods Word with the world" has died at the age of 91. He has been married to Jill for more than 59 years and has three children and 13 grandchildren. And heres what we have to do as people leading churches, okay, you have to understand what the signs of grooming are so one of the things that I did that really helps me, my good friend, Boz Tchividjian, put out a book through his organization G.R.A.C.E. But you lose the guarding mechanism, which I think in todays in todays cultural moment, its probably the most important aspect of eldering. Like so many of you, I love Pete. Interestingly enough, during the interview, he seemed extremely angry and resentful. I dont know. In context, I think my meaning becomes clear as I say soon after, agreeing with Mitchs assessment that unanimity is bad: Absolutely horrible. I mean, it was a great time. I hope you have a great day and God bless. But this is the beauty of I think whats arisen is an independent media. I Pete grew up in a home with intelligent and committed parents: both I came out of Wheaton College, as I know a lot of kids do when youre in a Christian environment and maybe see some disillusioning things and I just, it was really a hard spiritual time for me. Like so many of you, I love Pete. And he committed sex acts with her. I just want to say this was not someone who acted on any behavior at our church, but had someone who was in the process of grooming someone else. Right. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. It was the summer of 2000, and I was a college student on staff at Pine Cove Christian Camp. I think youre absolutely right about that. I know from hearing from men, that that Bill abused men emotionally, spiritually while they were working there. So, and youre the chairman of your board. I want to share that God used Petes sermon on not being isolated (Ecclesiastes) in our sons life. As a lawyer whos represented some of Bill Hybels victims Mitch Little has seen a side of Willow Creek that few others have. So Im very much looking forward to our time together today. I think its Pat Baranowskis story that ran in the New York Times that actually caused that. Yeah, they eventually did. And Harvest was the same thing. Oh Well, and I appreciate your service to the church. But the thing that was so shocking to me, is that Bill Hy Hybels was the first pastor I had ever seen be so vulnerable from the pulpit. Pete Briscoe @petebriscoe 12 Dec 2021. WebPete Briscoe is a podcaster and evangelical pastor. Because they were required to move by unanimity. And so when you know from the pulpit, that might be a strength. The Elder Board has accepted Petes decision, and his resignation is effective March 31, 2019. Lawyer for Bill Hybels Victims Shares Inside Story. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth's media outreach. None at all. Yeah, right. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. And so, you know, as a lawyer on the board, youre not absolved from the obligation of complying with the mandates of Scripture. Because they, I mean, they had a massive PR machine they had, they hired Mark DeMoss, his firm to come in and try to resolve things from a PR standpoint. So its more than flirty words or suggestions. At the urging of a friend working in the radio industry, the Briscoes followed God's leading and used the tape sales proceeds to purchase local radio time, which launched Telling the Truth's radio outreach. This is what manifests. I cant do this authentically anymore. And as hard as the last year and a half has been, I applaud him for that. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. Yep, thats rooted in pride. The Elder Board has accepted Petes decision, and his resignation is effective March 31, 2019. But as you say its Gods grace that despite all that hes used these men to bless many, despite everything. And I think you hit the nail on the head. Im still waiting for the apology for the public apology for giving. But we dont have time on this podcast. How are you? So you can go to Amazon and enter in Boz Tchividjian and his book will pop up but you need to know what youre looking for because people who are sexual predators, they have an acuity for blending into society in ways that they dont stand out like this is not like, you know, the sexual predator in your church is not some, you know, grease ball sitting outside your kids ministry just kind of looking for a way to get at, like, thats our common image of what a sexual predator is. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. And its designed to be acretive, right that they gain strength over time. WebIt is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. It started as a simple tape duplication ministry in a home basement, using a reel-to-reel tape recorder linked to a dozen smaller recorders to duplicate the Briscoes' teaching. But it really had the tone has to be set by leadership for a culture of goodness. Bent Tree is a multi site mega church in the Dallas Fort Worth area thats had its own share of crises over the past several years. To us, he was Stu, Dad and Poppa and we already miss him achingly." And we need to apologize. The small tape recording process drew the attention of many people who were eager for a copy of the teaching they heard at church to share with friends and neighbors. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema. I was blown away. Pete reminds us that our goal is not to win arguments, but to win people. The news of Petes resignation landed heavy on my heart. Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? In fact, back in the late 80s, early 90s, we went to Willow Creek and we had a wonderful experience. He is with us today to talk about growing communication skills to improve preaching as well as how we can find deeper fulfillment in our work and lives. And something else that you mentioned about the board, which I found fascinating was that the Willow Creek board had an awful lot of lawyers on it. Bent Tree family and friends of Bent Tree, we invite you to post here (or on social media) your comments of encouragement, gratitude, blessing, remembrance, and tribute to the many long years our brother Pete and sister Libby have poured out their lives for the building up of Christs church. How do you get people to come to church when there are more authentic people in the bars? I dont know the answer but rampant clergy abuse just took my discontentment to a whole new level. Subscribe Sign up for my daily email devotionals and to stay in touch! I think he lost it. Briscoe Today were talking with Pete Briscoe, who served as the senior pastor for nearly three decades at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, Texas, and now consults with and coaches pastors. But I have to say that in the middle of dealing with a lot of tall weeds and bugs, God has also given me some flowers and fruit trees to enjoy. Likewise. You can choose from more than 60 majors and learn in a Christian environment known for its spiritual values, leadership opportunities, and strong financial aid. My husband and I actually bought our last car from our court and we had a great experience. They made a lot of friends. And to do that, we must avoid falling into the trap of our Christian beliefs being pitted against culture in the public sphere of debate. There were some areas or some some critical times when things could have gone differently, but the elders caved in essence to Bill Hybels. They have a responsibility to the larger church to speak. All the times something didnt seem right. And wasnt there something with Bill Clinton coming to the church and speaking? Do you understand what Im saying? Yes, probably a number of your listeners are aware of the situation where the Ortbergs and Mellados had tried to report to the board an alleged long term affair that Bill Hybels was engaged in and the church hired an outside investigator to investigate the situation. Im so glad that theyre godly men like you serving. If anything has a whiff of impropriety, we would jump on it immediately. But I guess this is the question so many are asking is, Can anybody be in those kind of jobs with the kind of responsibility that is put on one human, one person to lead thousands of people? And so many looking to him for vision for leadership for everything. And its pervasive, and people are, theyre using it. The thing that is so terrifying is that someone who has been a senior pastor in an organization like that is not beyond it. As I look back on my own four years on staff, Im thankful for the teaching and leadership that Pete Briscoe has brought to Bent Tree, and I know that so many of us have been impacted by his attention to the Lord and quick obedience to however God leads him. Well, Mitch, this has been read. May you and your family be richly bleSSed!!! Through Petes teaching on Sundays and through various conversations with other staff members during the week, God shifted my perspective on what it means to live life in Christ one from my own efforts to please God to one of Christs efforts on my behalf to love me deeply, extravagantly, and permanently. Julie, it is great to be with you again. And thats one of the things that I just come back to is that the word hypocrisy in the Greek the word that comes from that means actor. They know there would be swift and sure discipline, if not firing, even with one mistakedepending on the severity of the misbehavior. The church is nondenominational and has woman pastors and elders. Yeah. I attended Willow for seven years. Youre absolutely right. And the Nancy Ortberg situation, a hug that lasted too long. Pete has offered to Yes, in the course of representing these women, it became obvious that this was not what Ill call an echelon or tier leadership problem, just at Bill Hybels level. So as we part ways, let us make the departure sweet. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. He currently leads a multi-faceted media ministry called Telling the Truth which he shares with his parents Stuart and Jill Briscoe. Well, to answer your question, very bad. And there was also a service at WC where the board interviewed him and was he was questioned about an affair. 1 talking about this. So, while I have strong feelings about this, as you can imagine being a lawyer, but at all points, legal advice has to be subservient to Scripture. I mean, I cant tell you how many stories I heard just like the one that you told the people who said, Well, I was at a conference with Bill Hybels, and he was awful to me. It should be something that he learned from, right? Briscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. It is simply to feed ourselves. To me, this was one of the beautiful God moves about the entire situation. Fellowship, Church family, Community. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. On this episode of The Roys Report, Julie explores these important questions with Mitch Little, whos not just an attorney for victims. And I saw this at Harvest Bible chapel when I was doing reporting there. That has been documented and proven through therapy notes. So I was quite taken aback when this scandal came out. It is not a program is not a set of services. And so I thought it was so funny that James MacDonald had his house in the name of an entity called Vanilla Bean LLC. (See page 54 and following) I will always have my faith in Jesus but church especially WCCC has been a huge disappointment. Fortunately, we have not had so much as one complaint about any one of our pastors or staff members. Thank you so much. Well, again, Joining me today is Mitch Little a partner with Scheef & Stone in Frisco, Texas. And that that was something that taught you an awful lot about how elder board should deal with sexual impropriety or sexual abuse within their own walls. Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? 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